Pagoda problems: the decline of Buddhism in Cambodia

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Re: Pagoda problems: the decline of Buddhism in Cambodia

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Thai letters. It's yaa maa.
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Were they ever really Buddhist here? It all seems to be about the spirits of the woods and rivers, the restless dead wandering forever. We dug up my wife's mother after she'd been buried ten years, everyone dived in for souvenirs (she got some teeth) and then we torched what was left, stuck it in a pot and now it's in a big stupa in a field.
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taabarang wrote: Buddha may have said that, but Buddhism has a plethora off gods and divine beings, not even counting the animist ones that became incorporated.
Good point, Buddhism in different regions has enveloped local and older beliefs so it ends up with a whole melange of Gods and spirits. I think at that stage it does become a religion.
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"^^ Sorry Taa, that is not where the 'drug term' came from.

ยา - yaa - drug; medicine; remedy; medication; having to do with medical treatment
ม้า - maa - horse"

Ok I accept that. Bit I would still like to know if it is possibly a play on words. I don't know the prosody rules for tonal languages.
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taabarang wrote::lol: "but the buddha in fact teaches to not worship a divine superpower, as the only person that can help/change your life is yourself."

Buddha may have said that, but Buddhism has a plethora off gods and divine beings, not even counting the animist ones that became incorporated.
sorry i still stand by what i said, as we were talking about the decline of buddhism and the teachings of the buddha

all the "gods/Deities" that you find in buddhism have been adopted from hinduism,
but i see your point, as there is so much crossover

Phra Phikanet/Vināyaka/Ganesha, the remover of obstacles, and the Deva of intellect and wisdom and the bringer of fortune and success is my Deity of choice and who i choose to pay my respects
a lot due to the big hindu/buddishm overlap

the word Vināyaka means ‘one who has no master’.

This word is sometimes used to indicate Buddha and Garuḍa

it is said in old Hindu scriptures there were originally 4 Vināyakas who were demons/evil spirits and used to bring bad luck and causing obstacles
it is then said that they were fused together to form the divine Ganesh, the remover of obstacles
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taabarang wrote:: a plethora off gods and divine beings,
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yama_(East_Asia)
buddhism do not have plethora of gods, those beings that look like buddha are call boddishatwa (spelling might be wrong) these are people who are not quite achieve enlightenment yet, level 50, as for those gods it is from another religion called taoism, where somehow along the history they got mixed tgt
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taabarang wrote:"^^ Sorry Taa, that is not where the 'drug term' came from.

ยา - yaa - drug; medicine; remedy; medication; having to do with medical treatment
ม้า - maa - horse"

Ok I accept that. Bit I would still like to know if it is possibly a play on words. I don't know the prosody rules for tonal languages.

it started off called "Yaa Khayan" - Diligence Pill - and long hall truckers used to use it
then it was called "Yaa Maa" - Horse Pill - as mentioned because of the horse logo, maybe due to the drug being originally used to be given to work horses in Myanmar
then finally its now called "Yaa Ba" - Crazy Pill - Due to its effects of long term usage

i dont think theres any reference to the Hindu God tbh
The drug of choice in Myanmar is yaba (a Thai nickname meaning ‘crazy drug’) – a methamphetamine – originally a drug given to horses to make them work harder which can be injected, inhaled or swallowed as a tablet
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bolueeleh wrote:
Bertros wrote:
bolueeleh wrote:buddhism is not a religion per se, it shld be seen as a way to cultivate ur life to a level of higher existence,

level 99

and let's not forget that budda's 1st step to 'enlightenment' was to abandon his wife and child.


https://daddybrain.wordpress.com/2008/0 ... a-schmuck/


just sayin'


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when the hell did prince siddatha have wife and children? :ROFL: :


Rahula -— The Son of the Enlightened One
86. Just before Prince Siddhartha renounced the world, his wife Yasodhara gave birth to a son. According to legend, when the birth was announced to the prince, he said, "A fetter (rahula) has been born, a bondage has been born," and this is how the boy got his name. It is more likely that he was named after a lunar eclipse (rahu) that might have occurred around the time of his birth. Either way, the birth of this child only served to make Prince Siddhartha's desire to escape from what had become for him a golden cage, even more difficult. On the evening he had finally decided to leave, the Buddha peered into the royal bedchamber to take one last look at his sleeping wife and child, but the mother's arm obscured the child's face.


http://www.buddhanet.net/e-learning/bud ... ples13.htm


Rāhula (born c. 534 BCE) was the only son of Siddhartha Gautama (commonly known as Buddha), and his wife Princess Yasodharā.
Accounts of his life differ in certain points. The following is that given in the Pāli Canon.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C4%81hula



try 'google'. there are 21,400,000 more references to peruse.


just sayin'


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Bertros wrote:
bolueeleh wrote:
Bertros wrote:
bolueeleh wrote:buddhism is not a religion per se, it shld be seen as a way to cultivate ur life to a level of higher existence,

level 99

and let's not forget that budda's 1st step to 'enlightenment' was to abandon his wife and child.


https://daddybrain.wordpress.com/2008/0 ... a-schmuck/


just sayin'


Bertros :hattip:
when the hell did prince siddatha have wife and children? :ROFL: :


Rahula -— The Son of the Enlightened One
86. Just before Prince Siddhartha renounced the world, his wife Yasodhara gave birth to a son. According to legend, when the birth was announced to the prince, he said, "A fetter (rahula) has been born, a bondage has been born," and this is how the boy got his name. It is more likely that he was named after a lunar eclipse (rahu) that might have occurred around the time of his birth. Either way, the birth of this child only served to make Prince Siddhartha's desire to escape from what had become for him a golden cage, even more difficult. On the evening he had finally decided to leave, the Buddha peered into the royal bedchamber to take one last look at his sleeping wife and child, but the mother's arm obscured the child's face.


http://www.buddhanet.net/e-learning/bud ... ples13.htm


Rāhula (born c. 534 BCE) was the only son of Siddhartha Gautama (commonly known as Buddha), and his wife Princess Yasodharā.
Accounts of his life differ in certain points. The following is that given in the Pāli Canon.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C4%81hula



try 'google'. there are 21,400,000 more references to peruse.


just sayin'


Bertros :hattip:
a fetter? a bondage? he didnt see his son as much more than a slave? great papa
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Yeah, what an inspiration for all the young first-time fathers around the world..... :facepalm:
Jamie Lambo wrote:all the "gods/Deities" that you find in buddhism have been adopted from hinduism,
but i see your point, as there is so much crossover
There's even more of a crossover when it comes to beliefs in ancient tree-spirits, water-spirits, the ghost that inhabits the base of Buddha statues etc. Pchum Ben is a good example, as far as I know it doesn't exist outside the kingdom and has no basis in any Buddhist canons.
If you've spent a bit of time around you'll notice these little shrines in odd spots. These are made of banana leaves, rice, flowers, fruit and other stuff, every part has a symbolism. I'll try and dig out the resource I had on this, but I've seen these around in all sorts of spots for years. They are not Buddhist, it's an ancient animist belief in spirits, some good, some potentially malevolent. They need to be fed and appeased.
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