"koah kshal" Rubbing away the sickness...

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"koah kshal" Rubbing away the sickness...

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Anyone whos spent any time here in Cambodia would most have definitely seen cambodians walking around
with "hickey" style bruising on them whether it be their chest/legs/back/arms or all of the above, its a type of healing that originated in China that involves deep tissue rubbing which brings the person out in strips of bruises..
whats everyones views on it? is their any scientific healing process that will get rid of the fever and sickness, or is it just an old wives tale... be good to hear some khmer perspectives...
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I've had it done, and I believe it works. It hurts like hell so I try to avoid having it done.

If you have any doubt, you can try this simple test.
Take one person who is feeling sick and coin them. The redness will appear immediately.
Then coin someone who is not feeling sick. The redness will not appear (unless you keep doing it and forcing it).

After coining, you really do feel a whole lot better. Try it, just for the experience.

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In China its known as "Gua Sha" and the Chinese have done some serious research on this. Use this term in google (eg gua sha research) to pull out the studies.

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Effectiveness of traditional Chinese "gua sha" therapy in patients with chronic neck pain: a randomized controlled trial.

RESULTS:
Neck pain severity after 1 week improved significantly better in the Gua sha group compared with the control group (group difference -29.9 mm, 95% confidence interval: -43.3; -16.6 mm; P<0.001). Significant treatment effects were also found for pain at motion, scores on the NDI, and dimensions of quality-of-life. The treatment was safe and well tolerated. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21276190

Gua Sha for migraine in inpatient withdrawal therapy of headache due to medication overuse. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17971671

Gua sha research and the language of integrative medicine http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 9208000818

Traditional Chinese medicine's scraping treatment put to the test http://www.scmp.com/lifestyle/health/ar ... t-put-test
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Where can we get this done in Sihanoukville please???
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My bro-in-law convinced me to let him coin me once when I had a severe case of the dreaded man flu...the combination of tiger balm been rubbed aggressively across my skin using the edge of the tiger balm lid hurt so damn much that I no longer noticed the symptoms of my man-flu.

Does it actually work...or is it just a distraction method? My opinion is that it's the latter.
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Before i give my take on this. Please enjoy the video first .

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PSD-Kiwi wrote:My bro-in-law convinced me to let him coin me once when I had a severe case of the dreaded man flu...the combination of tiger balm been rubbed aggressively across my skin using the edge of the tiger balm lid hurt so damn much that I no longer noticed the symptoms of my man-flu.

Does it actually work...or is it just a distraction method? My opinion is that it's the latter.
According to the research I referenced it does, in the cases studied anyway.
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IMO it's 'placebo effect' which we now know is much stronger than previously thought. It's usually due to the release of Dopamine in the brain, making the subject feel better. How can they possibly study it properly ? There can be no control group. The subject will always know whether it has actually been done or not.
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yeah i definitely think its to do with the placebo effect, the brain is a powerful thing
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wackyjacky wrote:IMO it's 'placebo effect' which we now know is much stronger than previously thought. It's usually due to the release of Dopamine in the brain, making the subject feel better. How can they possibly study it properly ? There can be no control group. The subject will always know whether it has actually been done or not.
For a placebo effect to take place the subjects need to believe in the efficacy of the placebo. The study was done on subjects recruited in Germany not on village Khmers who have a belief in this technique.

Effectiveness of traditional Chinese "gua sha" therapy in patients with chronic neck pain: a randomized controlled trial.
OBJECTIVE:
Gua sha is a traditional East Asian healing technique where the body surface is press-stroked with a smooth-edged instrument to intentionally raise therapeutic petechiae. A traditional indication of Gua sha is neck pain; no data from controlled trials exist to support this claim. The researchers aimed to investigate the effectiveness of Gua sha in the symptomatic treatment of chronic neck pain.

DESIGN:
The study was designed as an open randomized controlled clinical trial.

SETTING:
The study was set in Kliniken Essen-Mitte, Academic Teaching Hospital of the University Duisburg-Essen, Germany.

SUBJECTS:
Forty-eight outpatients (58.5±8.0 years; 41 female) with chronic mechanical neck pain were the subjects of the study.

INTERVENTION:
Patients were randomized into Gua sha (N=24) or control groups (N=24) and followed up for 7 days. Gua sha patients were treated once with Gua sha, while control patients were treated with a local thermal heat pad.

OUTCOME MEASURES:
Primary outcome was change of neck pain severity after 1 week as assessed by visual analog scale. Secondary outcomes included pain at motion, the neck disability index (NDI) and quality-of-life (Short-Form [36] Health Survey).

RESULTS:
Neck pain severity after 1 week improved significantly better in the Gua sha group compared with the control group (group difference -29.9 mm, 95% confidence interval: -43.3; -16.6 mm; P<0.001). Significant treatment effects were also found for pain at motion, scores on the NDI, and dimensions of quality-of-life. The treatment was safe and well tolerated.

CONCLUSION:
Gua sha has beneficial short-term effects on pain and functional status in patients with chronic neck pain. The value of Gua sha in the long-term management of neck pain and related mechanisms remains to be clarified.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21276190
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