Chbab Srey - Code and Conduct for Khmer Women

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TheGrinchSR wrote:
taabarang wrote:People have suggested that I should learn to read and write Cambodian in order to enlarge my vocabulary and not talk like a peasant. It is precisely because of "literature"like this didactic piece of shit that I shun formal education in Cambodia. I have to struggle to finish it in English without gagging and I know somewhere along the some well meaning professor would think that I couldn't lead a good life without learning this piece of drivel. Where is good MODERN literature in Cambodia? So,for those of you who are so inclined to this type of brainless fodder, just put on your khao slip yieah (granny panties) and start reading.

If all works out well, I will continue my attack on some of the traditional cultural values of this country. They might have had value years ago, but now they are like the guests at a party who hang around drinking long after the party is over. It's time for them to go home.
This isn't literature so much as folk wisdom. There's plenty of crap that comes out of the English language writing machine (Twilight, The Da Vinci Code, etc. all unreadable crap). This is also true of the English language song writing machine (anything sung by Beyonce, Westlife, etc.) An exploration of French, German, Greek, Russian, Arabic, etc. literature and music reveals
Writing off a culture's literature based on a single piece seems a touch hasty to me.
Well, I don't know how you define literature. perhaps as in "please send me some literature on breeding guppies." However, it is a highly structured and disciplined poem which may have been derived from "folk wisdom" but most likely had but one author. The only Cambodian Literature which I have appreciated was surrealist poetry written by Cambodians in French and one or two English translations. While I admit that the practice of pirating originals makes it damn hard for Cambodian writers to make a living, I do not feel that is the problem. It is more a fear of offending authorities than a lack of imagination which is omnipresent in the village where I live. I have written elsewhere of how Cambodians describe the slack-jawed look of stupidity when someone stares at something or someone with total non comprehension. It goes "To look at someone or something like a water buffalo\ looking at television.

OK, your granny panties are off, now tell me the great pieces of Lit, fiction or nonfiction either in or from the Cambodian language that you have read and please no titles dealing with the Pol Pot period.
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http://www.phnompenhpost.com/post-weeke ... ughter-law
A popular ‘daughter-in-law’ class is teaching women the homemaking skills that would previously have been passed down by relatives

The greatest tragedy in the Cambodian literary canon could have been averted if only a young woman had heeded her parents’ pleas to stay inside and learn about virtuous behaviour.

In the old Khmer legend Tum Teav, the beautiful Teav is supposed to be observing Chol Mlop (In the Shade) – the time after a young woman gets her first period when she must cut off contact from the outside world and be taught about morality and womanhood by her female relatives.

Instead, Teav ventures out, falls in love with a monk and sets in place a series of events that result in her untimely death, as well as seven generations of the local governor’s relatives being buried neck deep in a field and having their heads lopped off with a plough.

There are other interpretations of this famous tale that apportion blame for the resulting bloodbath more evenly, but Lim Mouly Ratana likes this version the best. As the owner of The Daughter in Law House, she has spent the past 14 years trying to teach young and increasingly urbanised Khmer women the value of traditional skills and morality.
Interesting.
How to be a feminist.
“Ninety per cent of students are from rich families,” explained Mouly Ratana, who has the polished presentation and confident mannerisms of a TV presenter. “They want to learn all skills but especially about morality because they know the value of Khmer tradition and culture.”
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The values that are taught explicitly at The Daughter in Law School are mainly limited to practical questions of etiquette, such as how to address different members of society. A handmade poster on the wall features cutouts of the five different sampeahs, illustrating how hand positions vary depending on the seniority of the person you’re greeting.
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Jamie_Lambo wrote:i cant remember if its here or thailand where the men gives all the money to the woman and she is in charge of the money? or am i getting mixed up with something else?
This originates in Chinese and Japanese culture and has spread through much of SE Asia too. I remember my wife excitedly telling me that she would manage our finances the day after we got married and the somewhat annoyed look on her face when I told her she'd need to get a job and contribute to the pot before that happened. I probably should have let her do it in retrospect. It would have saved me the hard landing when the business collapsed in China and maybe have afforded one last crack at making it work. But hey ho, hindsight is a fine thing right? And it certainly prevented her from gambling it all away on the Mah Jong tables...
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Is there also a translation for Chbab Proh?
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^^ Of course there is.

This is the condensed version: Men are like diamonds or gold. They can be wiped clean. <end of>
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Username Taken wrote:^^ Of course there is.

This is the condensed version: Men are like diamonds or gold. They can be wiped clean. <end of>

Lol, noooooooooooooo....
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I found this one:

source: http://carpediemilia.over-blog.com/arti ... 10350.html
http://carpediemilia.over-blog.com/article-22410350.html wrote: Chbab (law) Prohh (man),

This is prum'katet (thought/idea)! It is a tradition or idea to advise and it is organized as a story to tell, keep it as a new law to remind you
Keep it for the next generations, to listen so that you don't forget, teaching women and men to keep it within yourself
Walk as a dragon, be concerned with your behavior, you need to do in accordance with the morality, you should behave without mistake
You need to follow the rule, don't be aggressive to the other and your speech to other must be polite

Don't be too nasty and too gentle, be quick, don't be too afraid and don't be too brave, you have to ponder
Though you are sleeping, you have to wake up earlier than the elder and then wash your face and then you need to look after your property before you go to sleep
Don't eat all the beetle nut at once, you need to be thrifty, cut it into pieces otherwise if you eat all your life will create misery for yourself
Your sleep at night must not be too long, and don't put the blanket cover over your body like the dead person
You must wear clothes while you sleep, don't sleep naked
When you sleep, don't be too lazy, don't sleep all day

Be careful, there may be a thief near your wall, trying to steal your property
And if you wake up already don't go to sleep again, you wake up and then find the cigarette to smoke
Though it is dark you have to be careful with all your property, you put the knife near you because you need to protect yourself, you should have the water at your feet (traditional Cambodian women should put drinking water at her husband's feet in case he gets thirsty at night)
You should put the shrine level with your shoulder to worship the god Buddha, you need to keep the fire burning outside the house at night time all night don't finish it
Look after you kitchen and make sure that you have firewood in your kitchen
You have to ensure that you have firewood in your kitchen
You have to be hard working to fill the water into the giant urn
Don't allow your urn to run dry out of water; you may need it at night time or the day time

No matter how long the distance you go, you have to carry your knife with you.
You may be able to cut the branch of the tree to use as the firewood when you get home
Make your day as useful as possible, or use your time as usefully as possible
You have to look after your property, your rice and don't be too kind to others, you have to be thrifty with your rice and look after all your things by yourself
You should have some amount of the things you need to live, and even if you have so little you have to be hard working and try to find more you cannot just do nothing.
You need to be careful with your spending, when you give something away you need to think

During the planting season you have to be hard working to grow all kinds of crops
Don't be lazy and go to ask things from others just because you are too lazy to grow it
When you work you don't need to be worried, don't complain, regardless of your strength, even if weak you do according to your capacity don't just say you are weak
At night time the man has to take the bamboo and make a basket (don't be lazy, use the time) don't give the woman something to complain about
When you want to sell or buy something, discuss with your wife and children
Don't just think that you are a man and then you spend something without thinking and then do the thing without agreement from your wife
No matter where you go, long distance or short distance, you have to inform the person at home so that your sibling/relative can go and find you
At night you shouldn't be so quiet, hiding yourself is not good, you have to be honest so that no one can criticize you.
You have to be confident with what you are doing and not have to hide it from other people

Madness with Gambling
Hunt for chicken and wild duck, or other animals, for fighting, this kind of game is bad (this means you hurt the animals, not use them for eating it is not good)
None of Cambodian people are rich because of or by gambling but property destruction from gambling
Don't be confident in your gambling, all kinds of gambling are inconsistent
Those people tie your feet sometimes they hang you upside down to torture you to get the money back
You will be ashamed of the woman selling in the market because you look like a dead person (because you have been tortured)
Don't be concerned with all kinds of gambling, don't take part in it and avoid it

Madness with women
Madness with the women is the thing that you should avoid because it always makes you absentminded and forget what is right and what is wrong
You forget good deeds and bad deeds and the handcuff that can lead you to death
If the other woman belongs to another man you might be put in jail for adultery or killed by her husband
You create the difficulty and turn your happiness into anger and quarrelling
You create revenge, you don't care for the death of yourself, you make the uncle and the nephew revenge each other
This kind of revenge never ends and it make you feel more and more angry
Sometimes you are handcuffed (caught or punished) but you never change you are not afraid to die
Your head is cut but you never change you think only the passion
Don't be careless with passion, it drive you into unhappiness, don't fail to think about its bad impact

Madness with alcohol
Don't get drunk with alcohol
Because it leads you to lose the control of your spirit, you forget good deed or bad deed
Drinking never makes your mind constant
We are small but we consider others as small as our thumb even though our physical force is equal to lice (although we think it is equal to tiger) and never afraid of other
You become arrogant, you are proud just because the alcohol is in your body, never afraid of other, use arrogant word to provoke the quarrelling
Cursing unreasonably, insulting indirectly, you cause the quarrelling by provoking others
Sometimes when getting drunk they were unconscious and lie down and take off the clothes
When other people see you naked the children will laugh at you but you sleep like a dead person and your vomit is on your body
As a drinker don't say that you are in control, you think you are in control but actually you are drunk in four forms: you are poor but you say that you are rich, the gentle person becomes the cruel one, the frightened one becomes the brave one, and we violate what is right and poison yourself with bad deeds
The drinker is in sin and then loses the honor and won't get happiness
Better not drink wine that would lead to destruction and then go to hell (Buddhist)
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Here is the poet who wrote both Chbab Srey and Chbab Pros. He also wrote so many more useful poems which were included in our school curriculum.

Krom Ngoy (Khmer: ក្រមង៉ុយ) (born Ouk Ou អ៊ុក អ៊ូ; 1865 – 1936) was a famous Khmer poet and player of "Kse Diev", a Khmer traditional one string instrument. His fame spread to Thailand, and he was invited to sing for the then Thai King. He was well liked by the king and officials and was entitled “Phai-ros Loe Koern” in Thai or “Phee-rom Pheasa Ou” in Khmer which would means one who is excellent in the use of language.

He generally included issues relevant to ways of life of the people then in his songs or poetic teachings. They include: working in the farm to earn a living, choosing a spouse, poverty and its causes, ignorance of the people, consequences of laziness and inactiveness, dominance of foreigners on Khmer people, the loss of sovereignty, and the decline of the Khmer culture and literature.

He was called for an audience with and sing for the King Sisowath of Cambodia and was given a title as “Neak Preah Phee-rom Pheasa Ou” unofficially translated as the elevated one who is excellent or perfect in the use of language. Ou was his name, but later on was given another name by the King to Ngoy in order not to duplicate with another royal official whose name was also Ou. His educational poems were delivered in voice form and not recorded. He was later on invited by the then director of the Buddhist Institute in Phnom Penh, Ms Suzanne Karpeles, to sing his poems in a slow phase so that his wisdom could be written down for later generations. His poetic teachings have been published by the Buddhist Institute.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krom_Ngoy
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Some interesting pictures of Chol Mlop Ceremony and other.

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excellent thread and good advice for men and women
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